TED:COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: A SETTLEMENT IS REACHED BETWEEN THE MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER AND THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

ALSO TONIGHT, ANOTHER SETTLEMENT EASES SOM OVERSIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND, WHAT DOES "MEDICARE-FOR-ALL" REALLY MEAN AND HOW WOULD IT WORK?

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND COUNTY RECORDER JUSTIN HEAP HAVE REACHED A SETTLEMENT, ENDING A LONG, LEGAL BATTLE OVER ELECTION AUTHORITY.TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHAIR, KATE BROPHY MCGEE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TED: OK.

THERE IS A SETTLEMENT WITH THE RECORDER.

WAS THIS THE SETTLEMENT REACHED PRIOR TO THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION?

>> NO, THE SETTLEMENT WAS REACHED MONDAY EVENING, PROBABLY ABOUT 10:00 P.M.

WITH THE HELP OF A MEDIATOR FROM THE SUPERIOR COURT CHRISTOPHER-- JUDGE CHRISTOPHER.

TED: OK.

AND THIS NOW WILL AFFECT FUTURE ELECTIONS AFTER THE PRIMARY.

DISAGREEMENT TRUE?

>> YES.

REALLY IMPACTS ELECTIONS NOW.

THE PRIMARY IS UNDERWAY.

WE HAD ASKED FOR THE PRINCIPLE, WHICH IS TO PUT A PAUSE WHILE THE ELECTION IS UNDERWAY.

THE SUPREME COURT SAID NO.

THE APPELLATE COURT AGREED.

THEN INSTITUTED A 12-POINT PLAN DOCUMENT SUBMITTED BY MR.HEAP.

WE ARE WORKING UNDER THAT AND A BOARD RESOLUTION ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY TO CARRY OUT THE PRIMARY ELECTION, SO FAR, SO GOOD.

AND THEN, AND IN NOVEMBER, MR.HEAP WILL FULLY TAKE OVER THE AGREED UPON DUTIES RELATED ESPECIALLY TO EARLY IN-PERSON VOTING.

>> YEAH.

THAT IS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, FOR THE PRIMARY THAT SUPREME COURT INSTRUCTION TEMPORALLY INSTRUCTION THERE, THAT HOLDS SWAY, ONCE THE PRIMARY IS OVER.

THIS AGREEMENT HOLDS SWAY AND FOR ALL FUTURE ELECTIONS.

>> CORRECT.

>> OK.

WHAT CHANGES?

SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE SEEKING WHEN WE WENT TO COURT, I KNOW, MR.HEAP SUED US CLAIMING HE HAD BEEN, HE DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES HE NEEDED TO DO HIS JOB.

WE WERE SEEKING CLARITY.

WE DID NOT GET THAT CLARITY FROM THE SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE.

WE WENT TO THE APPELLATE COURT, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE SUPREME COURT TOLD US, YES, YOU MAY MEDIATE.

SENT IT BACK DOWN TO THE SUPERIOR COURT, WHO HAD RULED AGAINST US WHO ORDERED US INTO MEDIATION AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN VERY INTENSIVELY OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS WITH MR.HEAP AND THE COURT ORDERED MEDIATOR.

TED: RECORDER CONTROLS EARLY VOTING, AND VOTING OPERATIONS WITH EARLY VOTING, SELECTION DAY AND EMERGENCY VOTINGS.

THAT IS THE AGREEMENT?

>> YES.

AND WE TABULATE AS WELL, AND HE DOES VOTER REGISTRATION AND SIGNATURE VERIFICATION.

>> DOES HE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THAT HE HAS ALL ALONG SAID THAT HE NEEDS?

>> IN OUR AGREEMENT, WHICH WE FINALIZED YESTERDAY, WE DESIGNATED$20MILLION TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS HE NEEDS FOR BOTH EQUIPMENT AND RESOURCES IN EFFECT.

WE HAVE PURCHASED HIS OWN ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT FOR HIM AND IN A COMPLIMENTARY TO OURS, AND WE ALSO, I THINK, A BIG PIECE OF THE ARGUMENT WAS AROUND THE I.T.

SYSTEM, WE HAVE AWARDED HIM PLEDGED TO HIM$15MILLION TO BUILD HIS OWN SYSTEM.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE SUPERVISOR WHO WAS AGAINST THIS, SUPERVISOR.

ONE OF THE QUOTES WAS, HOW CAN VOTERS HAVE FAITH THAT THE RECORDER AND THE STAFF WON'T PUT THEIR THUMB ON THE SCALE, AND THIS IS CONSIDERING RECORDER HEAP'S CURRENT PAST TOUCH AND GO ACTIONS WITH ELECTION DENIALISM.

THE PEOPLE HE WAS INVOLVED WITH IN THAT CAMP.

THE SUPERVISOR HAVE A POINT?

>> HE WAS AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING WITH US IN BUILDING THIS BOARD DECISION, AND I BLESSED THE FACT, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO VOTED ON THIS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS ISSUE.

I THINK, UM, I MYSELF AM NOT ACCUSTOMED TO A PARTISAN RECORDER BECAUSE I GREW UP WITH THE LIKES OF HELEN WHO WAS A STRONG REPUBLICAN, BUT SHE APPROACHED VOTING MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE AGNOSTICALLY OR NEUTRALLY, HER FOCUS WAS ON ENSURING THAT OUR VOTERS CAN VOTE AND FEEL CONFIDENT WHAT WILL BE COUNTED.

>> OK.

SO VOTERS WATCHING RIGHT NOW, HERE IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

ALL OF THIS, ALL FUSSING AND FIGHTING GOING ON FOREVER.

WE GOT THE SUPREME COURT.

WE GOT ANOTHER AGREEMENT.

WE GOT SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR PRIMARY.

FOR THE GENERAL SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO EXPERIENCE?

ARE THEY GOING TO EXPERIENCE ANYTHING DIFFICULT?

WILL THEY HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> WELL, WHAT I GUESS, THE BEST WAY I CAN WRAP IT UP.

THE VOTERS CAN VOTE CONFIDENTLY, NOT WORRY ABOUT IT.

THEIR VOTE WILL BE COUNTED.

THEIR VOICE WILL BE HEARD.

IT WAS VERY TOUGH DURING THE LITIGATION TO GET TO A POINT WHERE VOTERS COULD SEE THAT.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO CHECK A BOX AND CROSS OFF THERE, I AM WORRIED ABOUT LIST.

WHILE THEY EXERCISE THAT FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

>> AND LAST QUESTION ON THIS AUTHORITY, OBVIOUSLY, THE BASIS FOR ALL OF THIS FUSSING AND FIGHTING.

IF THE PRESIDENT CALLS AFTER THE ELECTION, AND HE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY THAT THE VOTES TURNED OUT IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

WHO TAKES THE CALL?

WELL, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

THE QUOTE THAT COMES TO MIND THAT IS EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION, BUT NOT THEIR OWN SET OF FACTS.

>> OK.

>> WE DON'T REALLY ENGAGE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS MUCH AS OUR STATE LEVEL OFFICIALS SUCH AS SECRETARY OF STATE OR ATTORNEY GENERAL MIGHT.

WE ARE FOCUSED ON CONDUCTING QUALITY ELECTIONS IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

WE HAVE BUILD ON THOSE EXPERIENCES.

THIS ELECTION SYSTEM WE HAVE IN PLACE IS VERY SECURE.

VERY SOUND.

VOTERS CAN BE CONFIDENT IN IT.

TED: ALL RIGHT.

WE ASKED TO YOU COME ON ORIGINALLY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PILOT PROGRAM AND OBVIOUSLY THE AGREEMENT LAST NIGHT SUPERSEDES IT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICKLY HERE.

THE PILOT PROGRAM.

WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?

>> IT IS A PROJECT OF MINE AS A CHAIR, I ESTABLISHED THIS IS A PRIORITY WORKING WITH SUPERVISOR AND ALSO VICE MAYOR, CITY OF PHOENIX KEISHA WASHINGTON.

WE ARE FOCUSING THERE A WAY TO INTERVENE EARLIER IN EVICTIONS SO IT WON'T COST TENANTS AND LANDLORDS SO MUCH.

AND MIGHT PRODUCE BETTER OUTCOMES.

SO WE SET UP THIS PILOT PROGRAM.

IT IS BASED ON THE WORK OF A TASK FORCE, THAT IS BEING INFORMED ACTUALLY BY A NATIONAL TAX FORCE, AND COMING TOGETHER IN A SPECIFIC AREA, THAT 85008 REGION, TO WORK WITH LANDLORDS AND TENANTS COOPERATIVELY AND THOSE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURTS, TO SEE IN WE CAN PUT SOME SAFEGUARDS INTO PLACE, SO THAT TENANTS WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND LANDLORDS WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXPENSE.

>> BASED ON THE BEST MODEL PRACTICE TIN TEXAS.

TRUE INTO THERE IS A TEXAS PROGRAM THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM, AND ADAPTING, THE ONE THING THAT I AS A FORMER LEGISLATURE DEMAND TO SEE THE ROUTE COMES IN.

ARE WE SOLVING THE PROBLEM?

ARE WE JUST SPENDING MONEY ON SYMPTOMS, SO I AM EXCITED TO SEE, SINCE THESE TENANTS APPEAR TO WORK IN TEXAS.

TO THEY SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR MOST OF THESE TENANTS?

AUTOS BY LOOT PROGRAM THAT FOLLOW-UPS THEN.

>> YES.

>> YES.

>> AS A PILOT.

WHEN IS THE ABLE TO TIMETABLE HERE?

>> IT STARTS IN AUGUST.

WE JUST GOT FUNDING FROM IT FROM THE COUNTY.

$800,000 AND WITHIN-TIME FUNDS THAT STARTS IN AUGUSTS WITH OUTREACH TOP THINK LANDLORDS IN THOSE AREAS.

IT IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ARIZONA MULTI HOUSING ASSOCIATION THEY SUPPORT IT.

SO WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH FRIENDLY AND COOPERATIVE LANDLORDS AND THE COURTS THAT THE TENANTS GO BEFORE TO ADOPT SOME SOLUTIONS.

>> EVICTION DIVERSION BY LOT PROGRAM.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING IN AGAIN ON THE AGREEMENT, THE ELECTION IS COMING UP HERE.

VERY BUSY TIME FOR YOU.

WE THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR US.

>> APPRECIATE THE INVITATION.

TED: A SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE IMPACTS PAPERWORK REQUIREMENTS FOR FAMILIES USING ARIZONA'S "EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIP ACCOUNTS," BETTER KNOWN AS ESA'S.JOINING US NOW IS JON RICHES, THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE'S VICE PRESIDENT FOR LITIGATION.

SO THIS, BASICALLY OVERSIGHT REGARDING LINKING SCHOOL SUPPLIES TO SPECIFIC CURRICULUM.

CORRECT.

>> EXACTLY.

ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THE ESA PROGRAM A THAT ALLOWS PARENTS INCLUDING HOMESCHOOLING TO CHOOSE EDUCATION THAT WORK FORCE THE KIDS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY NEED WHEN THEY ARE EDUCATING IS BASIC EDUCATIONAL SUPPLIES, BOOKS, PENCIL, ERASERS, TRADITIONALLY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS COULD GET APPROVED WITHOUT REQUIRING A SPECIFIC WRITTEN CURRICULUM.

A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DEMANDED OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT FOR EVERY PURCHASE, WHETHER IT IS ONE PENCIL, A BOX OF ERASERS, PARENTS HAVE TO SUBMIT PACIFIC CURRICULUM DOCUMENTATION FOR EACH OF THOSE PURSES SO IT WAS WAY TO UM GUMP, TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT.

>> WAS IT A WAY TO GUM UP OR A WAY TO GET SOME SENSE OF OVERSIGHT IN A PROGRAM THAT REPORTEDLY HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A FRAUD PROBLEM GOING ON.

>> HERE IS REALITY.

PARENTS ARE IN RESTED IN EDUCATING THEIR KIDS.

THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN EXPLOITING THE SYSTEM.

THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT 99% OF ALL ESA PURCHASES ARE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURCHASES BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS DEMAND.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIG-TICKET ITEMS THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED ON IN THE NEWS MEDIA.

THIS IS THINGS LIKE PENCIL, ERASERS, CRAYONS, A BOOK OF WHERE GOES AND NONE OF WHICH HAS DEFRAUDING THE SYSTEM.

>> WOULD IT MAKE BETTER SENSE TO THESE THINGS BOUGHT IN BULK.

>> POTENTIALLY.

HERE IS.

IT'S THE THING.

PARENTS DON'T KNOW, RIGHT?

THEY KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MATH AND ENGLISH AND CRAYONS FOR THAT.

BUT SO SOMEONE PUTS, SOMEONE, MAKES A SOME SORT OF OUTLANDISH, YOU KNOW, REQUEST FOR A TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR FORCE PENCILS THAT WOULD RAISE A RED FLAG.

>> CLEARLY GET FLAGGED.

OK.

STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THESE CURRICULUM DOCUMENTS.

>> STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT AT ALL.

IN FACT STATE LAWS REQUIRES THE OPPOSITE AND IMPORTANTLY, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HANDBOOK AND ITS OWN RULES MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR, THAT THESE SORT OF DOCUMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED SO SHE WAS WRONG ON THE LAW.

>> SHE WAS WRONG ON THE LAW.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE SHE SAYS THE STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THIS, I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE IF THE LAW SAYS THIS THE HANDBOOK SAYS THAT.

IT WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE FOR A HANDBOOK.

NO IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T.

STATE LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT.

WHAT STATE LAW SAYS THAT MATERIALS CAN BE PURCHASED BOTH CURRICULUM AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS AND TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND SO, HER INTERPRETATION WAS, OUTLANDISH.

TED: SO IT IS SETTLED.

SUPPLIES.

THE QUOTE HERE.

NEED NOT BE LISTED AS REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED ON A DOC IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED INSTEAD, YOU CAN USE A DROP-DOWN MENU.

>> OK.

>> AGAIN, IN A PROGRAM THAT DOES HAVE ITS PROBLEMS, AND WE CAN REFER THAT IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE.

IT DOES HAVE THE PROBLEMS REGARDING FOLKS NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW OR WHAT IS FOLLOWING PROPER.

THIS IS A GOOD THING?

>> YEAH.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY A FOOD THING.

>> THE BEAUTY OF THE ESA PROGRAM IS IT ALLOWS PARENTS TO MAKE CHOICES THAT WORK FOR THEM, AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE EASY, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOMESCHOOLING PARENTS, WE DON'T, THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT.

WHY ARE WE MAKING THE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT WITH CUMBERSOME RED TAPE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE BOOKS, PENCILS, ERASERS, NONE OF THESE BIG-TICKET ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS MEDIA REPORTS.

I KNOW THEY ARE STILL SUBJECT TO INVESTIGATION.

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE AS FAR AS THE SETTLEMENT IS KING BUT CONSIDERING THE SUPERINTENDENT IS SAYING HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS.

THAT IS A CONCERN?

WELL, ALL THE MORE REASON THAT THIS DEMAND WAS IMPROPER IN THE FIRST PLACE AND PLACE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS NOT ONLY ON ESA PARENTS ON THE DEPARTMENT, TO OVERSEE WHEN YOU BUY A PENCIL THEY GOT TO FILE A DOCUMENT FOR EACH ONE.

THAT IS A CONCERN.

THAT ONE CERTAINLY MADE IT WORSE.

WHEN DOES THE NEW POLICY GO INTO EFFECT.

NO NOW.

SO THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WORKING WITH THE VENDOR CLASS WALLET TO GET IT ON-LINE AND I THINK, IN, IN, PRETTY SHORTLY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

BOTTOM LINE ON THIS AGAIN AS WE REFER TO A COUPLE OF TIMES HERE.

THERE ARE MANY WHO THINK, EVEN THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, TO THINK THE REFORMS ARE NEEDED.

GUARDRAILS ARE NEEDED ON THE ESA PROGRAM.

DO HAVE THEY HAVE A POINT.

WE CAN GO TO CHANNEL 12 AT 1 NEWS HAS DONE A REMARKABLE JOB TO SEE THESE OUTRAGEOUS PURCHASES.

IT IS, IS IT TIME TO REIGN THAT IN?

A LITTLE?

>> PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FOCUS HAS NOT BEEN ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE EXPENSES.

THE EVIDENCE SHOWS, 99% OF THESE PACES ARE FOR ALLOWABLE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES, YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE, THAT WANT TOP FOCUS ON ISOLATED INCIDENTS THOSE INCIDENTS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED, THEY SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE PROGRAM, BUT TO FOCUS ON THEM, LET'S MAKE THE PROGRAM HARDER FOR EVERYBODY.

LET'S MAKE LIFE HARDER FOR THE HOMESCHOOLING MOTHER OR FATHER IN.

THAT IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

THEN GOING BACK TO THE GOAL, I AM NOT SURE IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S GOAL IS TO MAKE IT HARDER BUT A WAY TO HAVE MORE ACCOUNTABLE.

SHOULD MORE ACCOUNTABLE.

GRANTED MOST FOLKS SEEM TO BE USING THE PROGRAM JUST FINE.

SHOULD MORE ACCOUNTABILITY STILL BE A PART OF THE PROCESS?

>> CONSIDERING WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THE STATE REGARDING, YOU KNOW, FUNDING THIS THING?

>> I WOULD SAY ACCOUNTABLE IS VERY MUCH PART OF THE PROCESS WHICH IS WHY YOU HAD THE DEPARTMENT FLAG INSTANCE OF THE PROGRAM.

BUT THE INSTANCES OF MISUSE HAVE BEEN ISOLATED IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE USE OF THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN FOR PARENTS TO EDUCATE THEIR KIDS WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD WANT.

TED: AGAIN.

GOLDWATER SETTLEMENT, SO WHAT PARENTS IMMEDIATED TO KNOW NOW, THAT DROP-DOWN MENU IS NOW USED FOR CURRICULUM DOCUMENTATION.

>> EASIER TO BUY BOOKS AND PENCILS FOR THE KIDS BEFORE IT IS MADE DIFFICULT.

>> UNLESS YOU WANT TO BUY IN BULK FOR 10,000 THEN WE HAVE PROBLEMS.

ALL RIGHT.

FOOD YOU HAVE.

APPRECIATE YOU.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

TED: MEDICARE FOR ALL IS A POLICY PROPOSAL THAT CALLS FOR ALL AMERICANS TO JOIN A SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IT'S INCREASINGLY BEING SUPPORTED BY THOSE CRITICAL OF THE CURRENT STATE OF HEALTHCARE IN THE U.S.

BUT HOW WOULD SUCH A BIG CHANGE REALLY WORK?DR.

SWAPNA REDDY IS ASSISTANT DEAN AND CLINICAL PROFESSOR AT ASU'S COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> NICE TO SEE YOU.

TED: YEAH.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.

MEDICARE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IT SEEMS TO MEAN A LOT OF THINGS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT IS VERY MUCH A CATCHALL PHRASE, RIGHT.

SO MEDICARE FOR ALL TRADITIONAL MED CARVE FOR ALL, PEOPLE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS IS REPORTING FOR QUITE AWHILE, ACTUALLY.

THAT TRADITIONAL WAY IS BASICALLY A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM, RIGHT.

FEDERALLY RUN SYSTEM WHEN WE WOULD NOT BE USING PRIVATE FOR THE MOST PART AND THAT SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM WOULD BE COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH COVERAGE AND FOLKS WOULD NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE VIA PREMIUMS OR DEDUCTIBLES ET CETERA M. IT WOULD TAKE EMPLOYMENT OUT OF THE WHOLE PICTURE.

YEAH.

AS WE KNOW THE MAJORITY OF US OF THE COUNTY BETWEEN 50 TO 60% AT H AT ANY GIVEN TIME, RIGHT?

SO IT WOULD MAKE THE COUNTRY AND OUR PUBLIC A LOT LESS DEPENDENT ON EMPLOYER BASED INSURANCE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE UNIVERSAL COVERAGE.

BUT ARE THERE DIFFERENT MEDICARE FOR ALL OR CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT?

ARE THERE DIFFERENT METHODS SYSTEMS OUT THERE?

>> SO ABSOLUTELY.

SO, WE, WE SENATOR SANDERS VERSION, ALSO HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN A FEW OTHER FOLKS HIGH PROFILE PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATURES IS ONE VERSION FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL.

THAT TERM HAS BEEN USED FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICY PROPOSALS THAT ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF UNIVERSAL COVERAGE.

UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.

EXPANDING ACCESS TO HEALTH COVERAGE.

SO THAT TERM IS REALLY A CATCHALL BUT COULD MEAN A VIDE WAITER VARIETY OF POLICY PROPOSALS.

I WILL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

SOME OF THE MORE COMMON ONES LOOK LIKE A PUBLIC OPTION PLAN IN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

SO WHAT IS A PUBLIC OPTION PLAN.

REALLY, LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE MEDICARE FOR ALL.

A GOVERNMENT RUN, WHETHER IT IS FEDERALLY RUN OR STATE RUN INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT MAY COEXIST A PRIVATE INSURANCE SYSTEM SO FOLKS CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO KEEP IT.

GO THROUGH IT FOR THE EMPLOYER.

GO FOR IT OR OPT IN TO WHAT DO YOU CALL IT MEDICARE FOR ALL AND PUBLIC OPTION, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

SOMETHING THAT IS PUBLICLY RUN.

AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE COMPREHENSIVE COVERAGE AND LARGELY FUNDED THROUGH TAXES.

OK.

THAT IS THE OTHER ONE.

THAT IS THE OTHER BIG ONE.

RIGHT.

THEN THERE IS ALL KINDS OF OTHER VERSIONS SO A MEDICARE FOR ALL LIKE THE ONE THAT BERNIE SANDERS IS RECOMMENDING BUT MAYBE STARTING AT AGE 50 INSTEAD OF 65 LIKE OUR TRADITIONAL MEDICARE PLAN.

ONE THAT IS OPEN FOR FOLKS THAT ARE LOW INCOME, ONE THAT IS OPT-IN PROGRAM.

SO NOT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT.

SOME PEOPLE CAN OPT IN TOP HAVE IT.

THERE ARE MANY MANY VERSIONS THAT ARE BEING FLOATED AROUND.

ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF THESE IDEAS, THAT IS THE U.S.

LEADS THE WORLD IN HEALTH CARE INNOVATION, ONE OF THE REASONS IS THERE A PROFIT MOTIVE INVOLVED THERE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROFIT HOT OF MOTIVE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO INNOVATION IF THESE, MEDICARE FOR ALL SYSTEMS WERE ACTUALLY TO BECOME TRUE INTO WELL, IT IS HARD TO SAY, RIGHT.

WHAT WE DO KNOW, IS SOME OF THE MAIN CRITICISMS FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL OR ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE MEDICARE FOR ALL ARENA, A FEW OF THE MAIN CRITICISMS ARE, WHAT HAPPENS TO INNOVATION.

WHAT HAPPENS TO KIND OF THIS HUGE INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE, THAT IS CONSTANTLY CRANKING OUT NEW TREATMENTS, NEW MEDICATIONS, ET CETERA, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID.

THERE IS TREMENDOUS PROFIT FOR IT, RIGHT.

NUMBER TWO WILL IT INCREASE WEIGHT TIME AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE M THEN, WHAT ABOUT THE COSTS?

HOW DO WE PAY FOR THINGS, RIGHT.

WILL IT BE MORE MONEY OR LESS MONEY THAN WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THE EXIST EXISTING HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO SOMETHING THE OTHER COUNTRY IS USING RIGHT NOW.

IF SO, WHICH COUNTRY.

IT DEPENDS ON W WHICH PLAN.

THE ONE THAT GETS BATTERED AROUND QUITE A BIT IS CAN.

CANADA HAS UNIVERSAL COVERAGE BUT THERE IS A PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE UNIVERSE THAT EXISTS ALSO IN PARREL ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE PUBLIC PLAN.

AND IN MANY WAYS WHAT IT, WHAT FOLKS WANT TO OPT IN TOP THE PRIVATE PLAN, PRIVATE WORLD, THEY CAN OR THEY CAN GET SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE, TOO.

SO THE COUNTRY THAT GETS REFERENCED QUITE A BIT IN THESE PLANS IS A CANDIDATE.

THAT IS IN INTERESTING PAUSE THE ARGUMENT AGAINST KEEPING A PRIVATE PLAN IS AN OPTION IS SUBVERTS THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

EVERYONE IS IN OR NOTHING IS IN.

THIS IS WHAT IS INTERESTING RIGHT.

ONE THING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE THINK ABOUT WHICH POLICY PLAN WE MAYBE GOING FORWARD WITH.

THIS IS HIGHLY POLITICAL AS WE KNOW.

THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LOVES CHOICE.

WE LOVE CHOICE.

AND SO, WHAT SEEMS TO PULL WELL IS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 65% OF AMERICANS AT THIS POINT, 65%, THE HIGHEST WE HAVE HAD SAYING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD TAKE MORE OF THE HAND IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE FOLKS ARE SPLIT ON HOW.

OFTEN, AROUND HALF OF THIS FOLKS WANT TO ARE SOME KIND OF CHOICE IN THE MATTER.

WE GOT TIME FOR AS YEAH OR NAY.

IT IS THIS A REALITY IN THE U.S.?

>> HERE IS WHAT IS REALITY.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY UNHAPPY AND UNSATISFIED WITH THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE, THE COST OF HEALTH CARE.

SO I WOULD SEE THIS WILL BE ONCE AGAIN, A MAJOR ISSUE IN EVERY ELECTION THAT IS COMING UP.

AND, AND AS WE, IS IT REALITY.

IT THE PENDS WHAT THE ELECTION GOES.

IT WILL BE A HUGE ISSUE.

>> OK.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU >> NICE TO SEE YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

>> THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I AM TED SIMONS THANKS FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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