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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE IMPACT OF A NEW WHITE HOUSE POLICY THAT MAKES IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS TO GET GREEN CARDS?

>>> ASU LAUNCHES A WAR AND STRATEGY DEGREE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT.

>>> AND A NEW STUDY SHOWS HOW PICKLEBALL COULD HELP PARKINSON'S PATIENTS?

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RECENTLY ANNOUNCED A NEW POLICY THAT REQUIRES IMMIGRANTS TO BE IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES BEFORE APPLYING FOR A GREEN CARD.

THE RULE IS PART OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS TO RESTRICT WAYS FOR IMMIGRANTS TO LEGALLY ENTER OR REMAIN IN THE U.S.

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME ATTORNEY DELIA SALVATIERRA FROM THE SALVATIERRA LAW GROUP.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

GOT TO STOP MEETING LIKE THIS.

WE HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW WAY TOO OFTEN BUT A LOT OF IMMIGRATION ISSUES ARE COMING UP.

WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS ONE, I WENT WHOA.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

>> HUGE DEAL, AND OF SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO AMERICAN CITIZENS TRYING TO SECURE GREEN CARDS FOR THEIR SPOUSES WHO HAVE ENTERED THE COUNTRY LAWFULLY.

TED: WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS POLICY CALL FOR?

>> THIS POLICY CALLS FOR A STRICTER REVIEW, AND GRANTING OF GREEN CARDS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ENTERED THE COUNTRY LAWFULLY WITH A VISA, WORKERS VISA, AND A JUSTICE STATUS INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

MEMO, I WANT TO REMIND OUR VIEWERS THAT IT'S A MEMO.

IT'S A POLICY MEMO, AND IT DOES NOT CONTRAVENE THE WORD OF CONGRESS, AND THE LAW, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, MAKES THIS MEMO LAW.

WHEN CONGRESS SPOKE, CONGRESS BASICALLY SAID IF YOU'VE ENTERED LAWFULLY AND YOU OTHERWISE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A GREEN CARD, BASED ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO A UNITED STATES CITIZEN, YOU MERIT AN EXERCISE OF DISCRETION, DISCRETION IS BASED ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES SUCH AS WHETHER YOU COMMITTED A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, WHETHER IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS, WHETHER YOU LIED ON AN APPLICATION, BUT ABSENT THOSE NEGATIVE FACTORS, SOMEONE WHO'S ENTERED LAWFULLY MARRIED TO A UNITED STATES CITIZEN IS ELIGIBLE FOR A GREEN CARD IN THE UNITED STATES.

TED: SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES AND CONSULATES THERE TO APPLY FOR THEIR GREEN CARD.

HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO WOULD HAVE TO GO -- HOW WOULD IT EVEN WORK?

>> I THINK THE MEMO IS ULTRAVIRUS, AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE MEMO AND THE ADMINISTRATION WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS TO LEAVE, AND I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEMO IS TO SCARE ENOUGH PEOPLE NOT TO APPLY FOR A GREEN CARD THOUGH THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE IMMIGRATION NATIONALITY ACT ENACTED BY CONGRESS AND LEAVE.

LEAVING WOULD CAUSE IRREPARABLE HARM TO AMERICAN FAMILIES.

IT WOULD CAUSE CONSULAR DELAYS.

IT WOULD CAUSE, TO BE ABLE TO BRING BACK THAT INDIVIDUAL.

I THINK THE MEMO DOES NOT SUPPLANT CONGRESS' INTENT, AND NORMALLY, WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO EFFECT NEW LAWS AND BRING NEW DEFINITION TO A BODY OF LAW THAT CONGRESS ENACTED, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES ACT.

YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH HOW YOU ARE CHANGING OR DEFINING CERTAIN TERMS THAT CONGRESS ENACTED.

AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SIMPLY NOT DONE SO.

SO I THINK IT WILL BE ATTACKED IN COURT.

I THINK THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE LITIGATION.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT CHANGES THE LAW IN ANY WAY.

WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN, THERE WILL BE A PRACTICAL EFFECT, AND JUST LIKE YOU'RE READING THE MEMO, IT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM APPLYING FOR A GREEN CARD IN THE UNITED STATES AND MUST ADJUST FROM OUTSIDE.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

NOT WHAT THE MEMO.

DOES IT PURPORTS TO BUT LEGALLY DOES NOT.

TED: HOW FAR DOES THE MEMO GO, SOME MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RETURN TO THE U.S.

FOR TEN YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE FOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS TO LEAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS IS CALLING FOR.

THIS IS NO SMALL MATTER.

>> NO.

IT IS CALLING FOR EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ELIGIBLE FOR A GREEN CARD THROUGH FAMILY OR WORK-BASED PETITION, MUST RETURN TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES AND WAIT FOR THEIR APPOINTMENT TO RETURN TO THE UNITED STATES AFTER A CONSULAR INTERVIEW.

TED: LET ME READ SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S REASONING FOR THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, THEY WANT TO MOVE THE PROCESS BACK TO CONSULATES IN THE HOME COUNTRIES, AND THEY WANT TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE PROCESS IS CORRECTLY DONE.

FEWER HIDING, FEWER REMAINING AFTER RESIDENCY DENIAL, THESE SORTS OF THINGS.

DOES ALL OF THAT MAKE SENSE?

ARE ALL OF THOSE VIABLE ARGUMENTS?

>> OF COURSE, THEY'RE VIABLE ARGUMENTS.

IF THE POSITION IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GRANT GREEN CARDS INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT RATIONALE IS THAT IT IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU IMPOSE FAMILY SEPARATION.

WHOLE POINT OF OUR IMMIGRATION FABRIC AND OUR LAWS, OUR CONGRESSIONAL INTENT IS TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE MARRIED TO UNITED STATES CITIZEN OR HAVE U.S.

CITIZEN CHILDREN.

THE WHOLE BEDROCK OF AMERICAN IMMIGRATION IS PREMISED ON THE FAMILY UNION.

SO NOW YOU'RE TELLING FOLKS THEY HAVE TO SEPARATE, AND IF THEY WANT TO RETURN, THEY HAVE TO GO ABROAD.

BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS A MISNOMER BECAUSE THAT IS A POLICY MEMO.

THAT IS NOT LAW, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT CONGRESS HAS ENACTED.

TED: THE ADMINISTRATION ALSO SAYS THAT VISITS TO THE UNITED STATES, THOSE AREN'T MEANT TO INITIATE A GREEN CARD PROCESS.

THEY'RE SEEING GREEN CARDS, IMMIGRANTS VISITS ON SEPARATE PLANES HERE, ON PARALLEL TRACTS AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS.

HOW FAR DOES THIS GO?

YOU ARE BASICALLY TELLING ME, IT'S A POLICY, NOT THE LAW AND WILL BE ATTACKED IN COURT.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE EFFECTED IN COURT DOES IT NOT?

SOME WILL BE TOLD TO GO BACK HOME, WHO KNOWS WHERE?

>> THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS OF DENIALS OF GREEN CARDS.

WHERE THERE IS PRACTICAL EFFECT IS THIS MEMO IS MEANT FOR ADJUDICATORS AT USCIS, AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND THOSE OFFICERS HAVE TO, ON A WIDE SCALE, SAY THERE ISN'T EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH WE MUST GRANT YOU THE GREEN CARD.

YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO HOME.

GO HOME, WE'RE DENYING THE GREEN CARD INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

PEOPLE HAVE A DENIAL ON THEIR RECORD.

DO YOU THINK A CONSULAR OFFICER ABROAD IS GOING TO CONTRAVENE WHAT U.S.

IMMIGRATION OFFICER DETERMINED IN THE UNITED STATES?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I THINK IT CREATES MORE HAVOC THAN IT DOES ANYTHING ELSE.

TED: SO WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM FOLKS, AND WHAT ARE YOU TELLING FOLKS ABOUT THIS?

>> IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE MEMO CAME OUT, I WAS PROACTIVE IN THE SENSE OF HAVING A CALL WITH CLIENTS WHO HAVE PENDING GREEN CARD APPLICATIONS AND SOCIAL MEDIA, FAMILY MEMBERS, HEIGHTENED SORT OF THE FEAR THAT MY CLIENTS HAD, AND I IMAGINE ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE MORE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE AT THEIR INTERVIEWS, SUCH AS PROOF THEY PAID TAXES, PROOF THEY ARE LAW-ABIDING, PROOF THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY DO COMMUNITY SERVICE, THEY HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORDS.

SO WE'RE PREPARED TO SUPPLEMENT AND GREATER GREEN CARD APPLICATIONS, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT OFFICERS WILL DO WITH THAT NEW INFORMATION.

ONE INTERESTING THING THIS WEEK IS AT USCIS, NONE OF THE OFFICERS HAVE APPROVED APPLICATIONS ON THE SPOT.

USUALLY THEY DO APPROVE THEM, BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN TAKING THEM UNDER ADVISEMENT AND NONGRANTING THEM.

TED: THERE IS ALREADY AN EFFECT.

>> CERTAINLY AN EFFECT, SUPERVISORY REVIEW WILL BE REQUIRED AT ALL OF THESE GREEN CARD APPLICATIONS.

TED: DELIA SALVATIERRA OF THE SALVATIERRA LAW GROUP.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE HAVING YOU HERE.

THANKS FOR HAVING EXPLAINED THIS.

THIS IS BIG STUFF.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: ASU IS LAUNCHING A NEW MASTERS DEGREE PROGRAM IN WAR AND STRATEGY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT.

THE DEGREE WILL BE OFFERED TO ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY MEMBERS AND OTHERS SELECTED BY THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT.

JOINING US IS RYAN SHAW SENIOR UNIVERSITY ADVISER.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TED.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

TED: WAR AND STRATEGY, A MASTER'S DEGREE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

>> THIS IS A PROGRAM, AS YOU MENTIONED, SPONSORED BY THE PENTAGON, AND THE INTENT IS TO EDUCATE MID GRADE OFFICERS FROM THE MILITARY SERVICES OR DEFENSE DEPARTMENT CIVILIANS FOR SERVICE AT THE STRATEGIC LEVEL.

THESE WOULD BE FOLKS THAT PERFORMED WELL AT THE TACTICAL AND OPERATIONAL LEVELS WHERE WE PERFORM VERY WELL, BUT SECRETARY MATTIS, WHEN SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, INSTITUTED THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE WE TRADITIONALLY STRUGGLE TO TRANSLATE THE BATTLEFIELD VICTORIES INTO LONG-TERM STRATEGIC FOREIGN POLICY OUTCOMES.

THAT IS THE PURVIEW OF NATIONAL STRATEGY.

THIS IS A ONE-YEAR PROGRAM MEANT TO EDUCATE THOSE ON HISTORY OF WAR AND FOREIGN POLICY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS BETTER OUTCOMES IN THE FUTURE.

TED: ARE THE STUDENTS PEOPLE THAT GO TO LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AT WEST POINT, LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT?

THE STATE DEPARTMENT?

WHO GOES INTO THE PROGRAM?

>> MILITARY OFFICERS OR DEPARTMENT CIVILIANS, MID GRADE, AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED NOT JUST FOR PERFORMANCE SO FAR BUT FOESHL SERVE AT STRATEGIC LEVEL, AND THEY'LL GO TO NOT NECESSARILY COMMAND BILLETS BUT ADVISING SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE PENTAGON, CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS, COMBATANT COMMANDERS ACROSS THE GLOBE AND THE CIVILIAN PERSONNEL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, MILITARY AIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE, CONGRESSIONAL ADVISERS, THAT TYPE.

TED: I SAW THE FOCUS, MAYBE THE FOCUS IS THE INTRICACIES OF WAR.

TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

>> YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WAR HAS BEEN A PART OF THE HUMAN CONDITION FOR AS FAR BACK AS WE CAN TELL.

HISTORICALLY, ARCHEOLOGICALLY AND DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON.

WE WISH IT WERE OTHERWISE, AS A COMBAT VETERAN MYSELF, I WISH IT WERE OTHERWISE.

WE CAN WORK, AND I THINK ABOUT THIS LIKE CANCER, WE KNOW CANCER IS A SCOURGE AND WE CAN DREAM OF A WORLD WITHOUT CANCER, BUT DREAMING DOESN'T DO US A LOT OF GOOD.

WE NEED TO WORK FOR A WORLD WITHOUT CANCER BUT CAN'T PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST.

WE DO IT STUDYING CANCER, UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAUSES IT, HOW IT CAN BE AVOIDED AND IF NECESSARY, BE DEFEATED.

THAT'S THE SAME APPROACH THIS PROGRAM TAKES TOWARDS WAR, STUDYING IT DEAD-ON IN ALL OF ITS DEPTH, BREADTH AND CONTEXT OVER TIME WITH AN EYE TOWARDS AVOIDING IT IF POSSIBLE AND PREVAILING IF NECESSARY.

TED: SOUNDS LIKE IT INCLUDES WAR GAMES, SIMULATING WAR AS WELL.

IS THAT INCLUDED, IF SO, HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT?

>> YES, IT IS INCLUDED AND VERY IMPORTANT.

CORE ELEMENTS ARE FOUR CORE COURSES THAT ARE TAUGHT BY THE SAME PROFESSOR, DAN MARSTON, HE WILL BE FULLY TENURED PROFESSOR AT ASU NOW.

WE'RE PLEASED TO WELCOME HIM TO THE TEAM.

FOUR COURSES FROM ACROSS THE BROADER ASU CURRICULUM, ELECTIVES AND THE TWO REMAINS ELEMENTS EVER BATTLEFIELD STAFF RIDE, THEY GO AROUND THE WORLD AND VISIT KEY BATTLEFIELDS AND TALK ABOUT THE TERRAIN AND DECISIONS MADE THERE.

AND A WAR EXPERIENCE WHERE, THEY SIMULATE BATTLEFIELD DECISIONS, NOT NECESSARILY TACTICAL DECISION BUZZ LONG-TERM STRATEGIC DECISIONS ABOUT DEFENSE INVESTMENTS, INDUSTRY, MAJOR TROOP MOVEMENTS AS WELL.

TED: AND PHILOSOPHY AND THEORY THAT'S ALL GOT TO BE INCLUDED, RIGHT?

>> IT'S NOT STRICTLY MILITARY TASK OF DEFEATING ENEMIES ON THE BATTLEFIELD IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOOD AT.

NO ONE CAN BEAT US IN THAT DOMAIN.

IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE BETTER OUTCOMES, A BETTER PEACE, MORE JUST AND SUSTAINABLE THAN BEFORE THE CONFLICT, THE ONLY MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO ENGAGE IN WAR.

THAT REQUIRES BRINGING IN THE DIPLOMACY, FOREIGN POLICY, ECONOMICS, RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING, ALL THOSE, PHILOSOPHY.

TED: WINNING THE WAR, WINNING THE PEACE, THEY HAVE TO GO TOGETHER, WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.

>> THAT IS HISTORICALLY NOT A STRENGTH FOR US AS THE TACTICAL BATTLEFIELDS.

>> THIS WILL BE AT ASU'S D.C.

LOCATION, WASHINGTON LOCATION?

>> IT WILL.

TED: HOW MANY PEOPLE?

>> CONTRACTED FOR 24.

THE BUDGET HAS 12, WE'RE HOPING TO GROW THAT IN COMING YEARS.

TED: YOU GET A YEARLONG MASTER'S PROGRAM?

>> A TEN MONTH ACADEMIC PROGRAM.

TED: HOW DID ALL OF THIS COME ABOUT?

HOW DID ASU GET INVOLVED IN IT?

>> THE PROGRAM EXISTED PRIOR, IT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR SEVEN YEARS AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY, IT'S DONE VERY WELL THERE, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE KNEW IT WOULD COME UP FOR COMPETITION, SO WE KEPT OUR EYE ON THAT, THEY ANNOUNCED THE COMPETITION EARLY THIS YEAR, WE RAPIDLY PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL.

WE THOUGHT WE COULD DELIVER A BETTER OUTCOME THAN JOHNS HOPKINS COULD, THEY ARE A FINE SCHOOL WITH EXCELLENT REPUTATION.

WE FOUND OUT IN APRIL THIS YEAR, WE WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT.

TED: STARTS THIS FALL, CLASSES START THIS FALL?

>> CORRECT.

TED: AND IF THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT YOU HOPED TO SEE ENROLLING IN THIS PROGRAM, JUST IN GENERAL, WHO DO YOU WANT TO SEE?

>> WELL, I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE A LOT LIKE ME FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, I'M AN ARMY VETERAN MYSELF.

I SPENT MY TIME IN THE CAVALRY, COMMANDED THE TROOP IN IRAQ, AFTER AN ACADEMIC TURN, MUCH LIKE THIS, I WAS QUICKLY ELEVATED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF STRATEGIC SERVICE.

I WORKED FIRST COMBAT AND COMMAND AND THE PENTAGON WITH A TRIP OVERSEAS IN BETWEEN.

THAT'S QUITE A JUMP TO MAKE TO GO FROM COMMANDING TROOPS AT THE LOWEST TACTICAL LEVEL TO ADVISING THE PRESIDENT OR TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.

NOT OUR CHOICE BECAUSE THESE OFFICERS ARE SELECTED BY THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, BUT THAT'S THE IDEAL CANDIDATE.

TED: YEAH, YEAH, AND SO -- WOW, THAT'S QUITE A JOURNEY YOU'VE HAD.

>> I'M VERY PLEASED TO HAVE LANDED HERE WHERE I CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE.

TED: CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.

INTERESTING IT'S INVOLVED WITH THE PENTAGON AS WELL.

YOU DON'T SEE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BUT SEEING IT RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND SHARING THIS.

BEST OF LUCK ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, TED.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

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TED: A NEW STUDY SHOWS THAT PICKLEBALL CAN HAVE POSITIVE IMPACTS ON PARKINSON'S PATIENTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE STUDY WITH JAMIE NESBITT, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT CREIGHTON UNIVERSITY AND SUZANNE O'NEAL AT MIDWESTERN UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF HEALTH.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE, THUZ.

THIS IS FASCINATING.

I THINK I'M THE ONLY OLD DUDE IN THE WORLD WHO HAS NOT PLAYED PICKLEBALL YET.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AN INTERESTING STUDY.

WHAT GOT YOU STARTED ON PICKLEBALL AND PARKINSONs?

>> YEAH, IT'S A PATIENT STORY THAT GOT US STARTED.

I WORK WITH A PATIENT WHO WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PARKINSON'S, SHE CAME TO ME AT THE CLINIC FOR PHYSICAL THERAPY, AND SHE WAS TOLD SHE HAD FIVE YEARS TO LIVE, WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT TRUE.

EXERCISE IS GREAT MEDICINE, THERE ARE GREAT MEDICINES OUT THERE.

SO WE STARTED WORKING AND SHE HAD A GREAT TRANSFORMATION, AND WHEN SHE WAS DONE WITH PT, SHE WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING TO KEEP HER EXERCISE UP, AND SHE FOUND PICKLEBALL.

SHE SAID WE NEED TO DO A STUDY ON THIS.

AND SUZANNE AND I HAVE BEEN COLLEAGUES FOR A WHILE.

I SAID I NEED YOUR HELP TO DO THIS STUDY, THAT WAS IT.

AND SHE WAS THE DRIVER FOR THIS STUDY.

TED: AND THE STUDY LOOKED AT MOTOR SKILLS, COORDINATION, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING.

SO BASICALLY, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE DID IT CHANGE THEIR BALANCE OR WALKING OR IMPROVE COORDINATION OR HAND FUNCTION BUT INCLUDED INTERVIEWS TO GET JUST MORE IMPACT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

HOW DID IT HELP YOU PERSONALLY?

DID IT HELP YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE?

WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF IT BASICALLY.

WE FOUND AMAZING INFORMATION THROUGH THE INTERVIEWS.

TED: WHAT INFORMATION DID YOU FIND?

>> MY GOSH.

SO MUCH.

NOT ONLY THE THINGS WE EXPECTED, SO THEY LOVE THE SOCIAL INTERACTION, THE CAMARADERIE, THEY LOVE THE COMPETITION, AND SO MANY PEOPLE SAID THEY ALMOST FORGOT THEY HAD PARKINSON'S FOR THAT MOMENT, WHICH IS MIND BLOWING TO ME, BUT ALSO JUST IMPROVED, THEY FELT IMPROVED COGNITIVE SKILLS, THEIR BALANCE, THEY LOVED ALL ASPECTS OF IT.

TED: IS PICKLEBALL JUST ANOTHER FORM OF PHYSICAL THERAPY?

>> IT'S A FORM OF EXERCISE, RIGHT?

AND EXERCISE IS MEDICINE FOR PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON'S, SO IT ALLOWS REACHING, MOVING, CAMARADERIE, THE SOCIAL ASPECT GIVES DOPAMINE HITS.

TED: I WANT TO GET TO THE DOPAMINE IN A SECOND, THE REACHING AND THE HITS, I WOULD IMAGINE THE QUICKER, THE FASTER THE REFLEXES THAT ARE NEEDED, THE BODY REMEMBERS THAT KIND OF STUFF?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

TED: THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

PARKINSON'S, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, WHAT IS PARKINSON'S DISEASE.

>> A NEUROLOGIC DISORDER THAT AFFECTS THE BODY'S ABILITY TO MOVE.

SO PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON'S TYPICALLY GET TREMORS, BUT ALSO FIND IT HARDER TO MOVE, LIKE THEY MOVE MORE SLOWLY, THEY MOVE WITH SMALLER MOVEMENTS, SO THAT'S WHY PICKLEBALL IS KIND OF LIKE A GREAT OVERARCHING SPORT BECAUSE IT BASICALLY, LIKE YOU SAID, FORCES THEM TO MOVE BIG AND FAST.

TED: THERE WAS PRETESTING AND POST TESTING AS FAR AS THE FOLKS WERE CONCERNED.

DID YOU SEE IMPROVEMENT?

BIG IMPROVEMENT?

>> WE SAW SOME IMPROVEMENT.

IT STARTED OUT AS A FEASIBILITY STUDY CAN.

PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON'S PLAY PICKLEBALL?

THEY CAN.

OUR SAMPLE SIZE WAS SMALL, WE FOUND IMPROVEMENTS WITH FINE MOTOR AND HAND, I GUESS, HOLDING THE PADDLE, LIKE BUTTONING A SHIRT, IT TRANSFORMED THAT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, IF YOU CAN'T BUTTON YOUR SHIRT ANYMORE, AND YOU WANT TO GO TO A NICE DINNER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW?

WE DIDN'T FIND AS MUCH WITH BALANCE OR GAIT, BUT WANT TO DO A BIGGER STUDY WITH MORE PARTICIPANTS, CONTROLLED A LITTLE BETTER WHEN WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT FEASIBILITY.

TED: YOU MENTIONED DOPAMINE, TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU FOUND WITH THE STUDY.

>> BECAUSE OF PARKINSON'S YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DOPAMINE TO USE.

THAT CAUSES SYMPTOMS THAT SUZANNE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL AS COGNITION, DEPRESSION IS REALLY BIG, AND SO WHILE WE WEREN'T MEASURING DOPAMINE SPECIFICALLY, WE SAW THAT MOOD WAS IMPROVED, THE SOCIALIZATION WAS IMPROVED, MOVEMENT WAS IMPROVED, FINE MOTOR WAS IMPROVED, AND ACTUALLY THE PARTICIPANTS NOW PLAY TOGETHER EVERY WEEK, WHICH IS REALLY COOL TO SEE.

TED: YEAH, YEAH, BUT THE MENTAL ASPECTS, THE SOCIALIZATION, IS IT PICKLEBALL, IS IT THE SOCIALIZATION, DOES THE DOPAMINE BECAUSE OF PICKLEBALL OR THE SOCIALIZATION BECAUSE OF PICKLEBALL?

>> EVERYTHING.

THINK NOT ONLY -- NOT ONLY -- EXERCISE AUTOMATICALLY INCREASES DOPAMINE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER AND MOVE BETTER.

THAT'S IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT TO FIGHT THE DEPRESSION, THE SOCIALIZATION, THE CAMARADERIE AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW PICKLEBALL IS A HOT TOPIC, THE HOTTEST SPORT CURRENTLY, AND SO JUST BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A SPORT AND EMBED YOURSELF IN A SPORT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I THINK THAT ALSO CAN IMPROVE THE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH AS WELL.

TED: THE NEURODISEASES, IT COULD HAVE IMPACT ON OTHER THINGS OUT THERE?

>> WHO KNOWS?

I HAD A STUDENT ASK ME TODAY ABOUT PICKLEBALL AND STROKE.

I GUESS THAT'S OUR NEXT STUDY.

TED: IS IT EXERCISE OR IS IT THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF EXERCISE?

>> EXERCISE.

IT'S EXERCISE.

SO IN GENERAL, WE WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO FIND SOMETHING THEY ENJOY.

IT JUST HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE ENJOY PICKLEBALL, RIGHT?

BUT EXERCISE, ANY MOVEMENT IS GOING TO HELP IMPROVE ANY NEUROLOGIC DISORDER OR HELP PREVENT SOME IN THE FUTURE.

TED: LAST QUESTION ON THAT AND ALL OF THIS, THIS IS INTERESTING INFORMATION.

IS IT THE EXERCISE BECAUSE IT GETS YOUR CARDIO UP OR MIND MOVING AND BODY DOING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS?

>> EXERCISE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH PARKINSONs IS NOT ONLY GET CARDIOVASCULAR EFFECT BUT EXERCISE THAT FORCES TO YOU MOVE WITH BIGGER, FASTER MOVEMENTS, THAT'S WHY PICKLEBALL IS SUCH A NICE FIT FOR THEM.

NOW, YOU KNOW, EXERCISE IN GENERAL IS GOOD, BUT FINDING AN EXERCISE THAT CAN INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT, THE COGNITION, THE FIELD, THE FAST MOVEMENT, BETTER.

TED: CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS, CLASSIC STUFF HERE AND VERY INNOVATIVE, PICKLEBALL AND PARKINSON'S, GOOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

TED: YOU BET.

AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.