♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ >> COMING UP NEXT ON"ARIZONA HORIZON," THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE McCAIN INSTITUTE JOINS US FOR THE LATEST ON THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

ALSO TONIGHT, HOW ARIZONA PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES ARE COMING TOGETHER TO PRESERVE WATER FOR THE STATE.

AND, WE CONTINUE OUR LOOK AT ISSUES IMPORTANT TO OLDER VOTERS IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

TONIGHT'S FOCUS, HEALTHCARE.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE, NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> "ARIZONA HORIZON" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF ARIZONA PBS.

MEMBERS OF YOUR PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

UKRAINE WAS HIT BY THREE WAVES OF RUSSIAN MISSILE ATTACKS EARLIER TODAY.

THIS JUST HOURS AFTER RUSSIA SAID THAT IT WAS, QUOTE, "READY IN PRINCIPLE" TO RESUME PEACE TALKS WITH UKRAINE AND THE U.S.

FOR THE LATEST ON THE CONFLICT AND U.S.

INVOLVEMENT IN THE WAR, WE WELCOME DR.

EVELYN FARKAS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ASU'S MCCAIN INSTITUTE.

EVELYN, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

GOOD TOE IS YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TED, LIKEWISE.

>> RUSSIA AGREES IN PRINCIPLE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN PRINCIPLE?

>> IT MEANS NOTHING, TED.

WE'VE SEEN THIS SCRIPT BEFORE.

THE RUSSIANS SAY WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WONS TO HEAR AND USUALLY IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE ON VOWS, WITKOFF AND KUSHNER VISITED.

IT'S THE ACTION THAT IS COUNT.

>> OKAY.

AND THIS IS AFTER AS YOU MENTIONED, WITKOFF ONE OF THE ENVOYS GOT THE REHE'S OF AN AMERICAN PRISONER THERE.

GOOD THING THERE.

BUT IN THE PROCESS CALLED VLADIMIR PUTIN A HUMANITARIAN.

HOW MANY JAWS DROPPED TO THE FLOOR AT THAT PARTICULAR STATEMENT?

>> MILLIONS.

YOU NO, STARTING WITH OUR ALLIES, STARTING WITH DEMOCRACIES, STARTING WITH ALL OF THE UKRAINIANS WHO HAVE BEEN TORTURED, WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED OR HAD THEIR RELATIVES KILLED RATHER.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR CHILDREN ABDUCTED.

VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A BLOOD -- HE HAS SO MUCH BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.

HE'S VIOLATED SO MANY HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS.

NOT JUST IN THE UKRAINE BUT ALSO IN SYRIA AND, CHECHNYA.

YOU DON'T CALL SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, A HUMANITARIAN WHO IS CLEARLY NOT A HUMANITARIAN, YOU CAN SAY HE MADE HE MADE A HUMANITARIAN GESTURE.

I WORKED FOR A LONG TIME ON NORTH KOREA IN MY PAST LIFE AND THERE THE NORTH KOREANS WOULD SAY THEMSELVES I AM RELEASING THIS PRISON AS A HUMANITARIAN GESTURE BUT NOBODY WOULD CALL KIM JOHN UNOR HIS FATHER A HUMANITARIAN WRITTEN.

>> HARD FIGURE TO IT OUT.

HARD IT FIGURE OUT THE DIESEL DEAL WITH RUSSIA AS WELL.

THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATION DOING WHAT THE U.S.

HAS TRIED TO GET EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD NOT TO DO.

>> RIGHT.

YOU HAVE TO THINK WHERE WERE WE ARE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BEFORE THIS DIESEL DEAL HAPPENED.

UKRAINE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ACTUALLY ADVANCING A BIT ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

AND IT WAS HITTING THESE RUSSIAN REFINERIES AND CAUSING ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IN RUSSIA AND LINES AROUND GAS STATIONS SO WHAT DID PUTIN DO?

TWO THINGS HE STARTED TO CONTINUE ESCALATE AND RACHET UP THE ATTACKS IN OUR END WHICH WE DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT.

BOMBINGS, ARSON, IN EUROPEAN DEFENSE INSTALLATIONS.

STORAGE DEPOS.

ONE IN THE LEIPZIG AIRPORT IN GERMANY, WHICH IS NOT JUST A MILITARY AIRPORT.

SO THE LIST IS IS LONG.

HE STARTED DOING THAT.

TO GET THE EUROPEANS TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT UKRAINE.

AND HE STARTED HAMMERING THE UKRAINIANS, OF COURSE.

TO GET THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO CRY UNCLE WHICH THEY WON'T.

AND THEN FINALLY, HE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE HE IS DESPERATE.

I MEAN, HE KNOWS THAT -- HE MAY NOT KNOW.

BUT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW THAT RUSSIA IS NOT WINNING.

>> WITH RUSSIA IS NOT WINNING BUT THE IDEA -- THE ADMIN STRANGE IDEA IS THAT THIS DIESEL DEAL WILL HELP WITH DIESEL PRICES.

FROM THE REPORTS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE ANALYSIS I HAVE READ, IT'S NOT.

AND IF IT DOES IT'S A PENNY OR TWO A GALLON IS THAT TRUE?

>> IT'S MISS GUIDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THE EXPERTS KNOW, THE EXPERTS HAVE SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

BUT THIS IS THE RUSSIAN ACTION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY ARE FOOLING PRESIDENT TROUBLE.

OR MAYBE PRESIDENT TRUMP THINKS THAT HE'S FOOLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH.

I DO KNOW, HOWEVER, IT'S RUSSIA INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS.

BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING IT TO TRY TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T WORRY, HELP IS ON THE WAY.

AND BY THE WAY.

THE DAY THAT THE FIRST DIESEL FUEL SHIPMENT IS SUPPOSED TOE ARRIVE IN CORPUS CHRISTY, TEXAS, ELECTION DAY.

>> GOODNESS.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, BUT THE IDEA OF THE U.S.

DOING THIS, THERE IS THE OPTICS OF IT.

THERE IS THE ACTUAL REALITY OF IT.

IN IN TERMS OF PRICES.

BUT WE FOE FOR SURE, THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THE RUSSIAN WAR EFFORT.

>> RIGHT.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM.

>> Reporter: YOU HEARD SENATOR TO HIM TILL DISCUSS MANY OTHER MEMBERS EXPRESS THEMSELVES USING A LANGUAGE OF OUTRAGE THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD YET TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE.

THEY ARE ALARMED PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE OF THIS AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MONEY TO PUTIN.

AND HIS WAR MACHINE.

>> UKRAINE WAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, GETTING SUCCESSFUL GOING AT RUSSIAN REFINERIES AND ENGINE INSTALLATION AND BUT THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ASKING ZELENSKYY DON DO THAT ANYMORE.

IS HE SAYING THAT TO PUTIN ABOUT ATTACKING UKRAINIANS?

>> WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT PRESUMABLY -- PUBLICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS I TOLD THE UKRAINIANS DON'T DO THIS.

NEVER HEARD HIM SAY I TOLD PUTIN TO DO THIS.

ZELENSKYY SAID I WILL GIVE IT A SHOT.

HE ACTUALLY DID STOP HITTING THE OIL REFINERIES TO SEE WHETHER THERE WAS A POTENTIAL DEAL HERE.

AND INSTEAD, THE RUSSIANS CONTINUED FIRING AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THE STARLINK AND ALL OF THAT.

>> YES.

>> THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT ALSO STARTED, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE ABILITY TO STOP THAT INCOMING.

SO IT WAS NOT A GOOD FAITH -- SOMETHING WENT WRONG THERE OBVIOUS.

>> I I WANT TO GET TO STARLINK IN A SECOND.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED AN ENERGY CEASEFIRE.

>> RIGHT.

>> OKAY.

DID RUSSIA, DID UKRAINE -- DID ANYONE ELSE KNOW IT.

THEY HAVE A FUNNY WAY OF SHOWING THE ENERGY CEASEFIRE.

>> PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID LET'S TRY IT.

FOR UKRAINE MEANS I WON'T HIT THE REFINERIES.

THE RUSSIANS KEPT HITTING UKRAINIAN ENERGY INSTALLATIONS INSIDE UKRAINE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO CAUSE HARDSHIP TO THE PEOPLE.

NOT MILITARY.

BECAUSE THE UKRAINIANS ARE HITTING REFINERIES IN RUSSIA THAT'S MILITARY.

THAT OIL AND GAS, THAT OIL WILL BE SOLD ON THE MARKETS TO FUND THE WAR EFFORT.

PLUS IT WILL GO TO THE TANKS, ET CETERA.

SO THE REALITY IS THAT RUSSIA DID NOTHING DIFFERENT.

>> SO THE DEAL AS -- >> IN FACT, THEY ESCALATED THEIR ATTACKS ON KIEV.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> AND OTHER CITIES.

>> THAT'S NOW THIS PARTICULAR CEASEFIRE.

THE STARLINK SITUATION WHICH I FIND FASCINATING.

BECAUSE THIS COULD VERY POSSIBLY ONE INDIVIDUAL, AFFECTING A WAR EFFORT ON ALL SIDES HERE.

TALK TO BUS THIS.

>> WELL, I FIND IT BEYOND TROUBLING, FRANKLY.

ONE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO IMPACT U.S.

NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS.

THAT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE.

AND IF IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW, IT SHOULD BE.

THE CUSTOMER HERE, SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT THE USE IS.

AND THE CUSTOMER IN THIS CASE ACTUALLY IS THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT, WE ARE PAYING THE FEES FOR UKRAINE TO USE THESE STARLINK, YOU KNOW, THIS STARLINK SYSTEM.

SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HEARD THE FIRST REPORTS THAT THE PENTAGON OR THE WHITE HOUSE TOLD THEM TO SLOW IT DOWN, THAT'S BAD ENOUGH.

BUT AT LEAST THAT'S THE GOVERNMENT ACTING ON, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF U.S.

FOREIGN POLICY, EXEMPT IT'S NOT IN THIS CASE.

BUT AN INDIVIDUAL DECIDING WHAT THE U.S.

FOREIGN POLICY INTEREST IS, WHO HASN'T BEEN ELECTED YOU CAN KNOW, THAT'S EVEN MORE OUTRAGE US AND, AGAIN, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS ILLEGAL TO ME.

>> HAS THERE BEEN ANY BLOW BACK ON THIS?

>> IN THE MEDIA.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMEWHERE IS PREPARING SOME KIND OF LEGAL ACTION.

SOME PEOPLE DIED AS A RESULT OF THE FAILURE TO INTERCEPT CIVILIANS DIED, WE KNOW THAT INSIDE OF KIEV.

SOME OF THEM WERE PUT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

IT'S QUITE SAD, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN, BABIES.

>> OKAY, BUT THEN CAN -- IT'S BACK UP AGAIN.

AND THE PRESIDENT ACTED LIKE HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WENT AWAY AND HE DIDN'T KNOW IT CAME BACK UP.

>> WELL, HE IS SAYING -- HE'S SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT.

BUT IT'S BACK UP.

>> OKAY.

>> SO JUST IGNORE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE HIM.

BUT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFOREHAND AS I IS, LED TO LOSS OF LIFE AND DAMAGES.

>> YEAH.

>> AND PROBABLY ON THE MILITARY FRONT AS WELL HAD REPERCUSSIONS AS WELL, RIGHT?

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT AND IT DOES MATTER WHO IS TO BLAME THE UKRAINIANS ARE SAYING THE SPEED IS NOT UP TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.

>> OH, INTERESTING.

>> YEAH.

>> EVELYN, BOTTOM LINE HERE, IS THE U.S.

SHOWING ITSELF TO BE SIDING WITH RUSSIA IN THIS WAR?

I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

ARE WE OPENLY SIDING WITH RUSSIA?

>> IT LOOKED LIKE THE WHITE IS HOUSE IS.

AND I WAS JUST IN WARSAW AT A SECURITY FORUM, OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES ARE JUST FED UP WITH THIS.

AND THEY ARE REALLY DISAPPOINTED OBVIOUSLY IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

AND THE PRESIDENT IS THE HEAD OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

HAVING SAID THAT, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.

AND THAT IS UNDER -- WITH THE CURRENT CONGRESS AND CERTAINLY ANY FUTURE CONGRESS.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION.

AND SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALSO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY EVEN IF THEY ARE MAGA SUPPORTERS, I HAVE SOME IN MY FAMILY THROUGH MARRIAGE YOU KNOW, EVEN THEY UNDERSTAND THEY KNOW THEY SAW THE AGGRESSION THAT RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, EXERCISED UPON THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE THAT RUSSIA IS TO BLAME.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN GET AWAY WITH HAVING US SIDE WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA.

LET'S NOT FORGET THAT CHINA IS SUPPORTING RUSSIA.

LOVES SEEING RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR US.

>> YEAH.

IT'S JUST FASCINATING WHAT IS HAPPENING THE I ASKED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON U.S.

ALLIES, YOU SAW IT, YOU JUST TOLD BUS IT.

IT'S NOT THE BEST.

WHO KNOWS, PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT IS PLAYING THREE DIMENSIONAL CHESS AND WE'LL BE SPRAYED BY ALL OF THIS.

BUT I AM JUST NOT SEEING THAT.

>> WELL, THE REASON I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, WHATEVER THE PLAN IS, IS BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO GET A BULLY LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN TO GO TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IS TO PRESSURE HIM.

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE GRAHAM, LINDSEY GRAHAM SANCTIONS BILL HE HAS ALSO THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE UKRAINE WITH MORE MUNITIONS WE HAVE TO SORT END THE WAR I TELL YOU WHY IT'S URGENT AND THIS IS WHAT I HEARD IN OUR UP AS WELL.

BECAUSE OF THE ATTACKS, THE ATTACKS IN EUROPE IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOME CIVILIANS DIE AND WE DON'T WANT A WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA AND NATO EVEN RUSSIA DOESN'T WON THAT BUTTER ESCAPE LAYING IN A WAY THAT'S TRULY DANG.

>> YEAH, DR.

EVELYN FARKAS, McCAIN INSTITUTE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

ALWAYS A GREAT CONVERSATION.

>> THANK YOU, I KNOW.

>> IT'S -- >> NOT AN UPPER.

>> FOX, IT'S NOT BUT GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

>> A NEW COLLABORATION AMONG ARIZONA'S THREE PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES IS WORKING TO FIND WAYS TO CAPTURE MORE WATER FOR THE STATE AND PRESERVE THAT WATER UNDERGROUND.

DR.

GIUSEPPE MASCARO, FROM ASU'S WATER INSTITUTE AND GLOBAL FUTURES LAB, IS THE PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR ON THIS RESEARCH.

AND HE JOINS US NOW WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> THANK YOU, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU BETCHA.

THIS IS THE ARIZONA TRI UNIVERSITY RECHARGE AND WATER RELIABILITY PROJECT, HOLY SMOKE LET'S JUST CALL IT THE PROJECT HERE.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> WE KNOW WE ARE THE IN DESERT AND A WATERS SAY PRECIOUS RESOURCE.

HE WE ALSO KNOW THE RAINFALL WHEN IT FALLS IT TENDS TO EVAPORATE FAST AND HAWED HARD TO MAKE FOR THE AQUIFERS THE QUESTION WE HAD WAS CAN WE IDENTIFY WAYS OF CAPTURING WATER THAT OTHERWISE EVAPORATES AND FIND WAYS TO SENDER SOMEWHERE WHERE IT CAN REACH THE AQUIFER.

>> CAPTURE THE WATER, RECHARGE THE WATER GETTING IT ALL THREE UNIVERSITIES TO THIS TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PRACTICES.

>> CORRECT.

SO WHY THE UNIVERSITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERTISE, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE STATE, YOU KNOW, EVERY UNIVERSITY IS DIFFERENT EPICENTERS IN A SENSE.

>> YES.

>> WE JOIN FORCES.

THIS WAS A REQUEST OF THE ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS.

>> YES.

HOW MUCH WATER IN ARIZONA IS LOST TO EVACUATION?

>> WELL, ALMOST ALL OF THE WATER THAT RAINS, 3% IS THE WATER THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT GOES DOWN TO RECHARGE, 197% GOES BACK TO THE ATMOSPHERE, VERY LITTLE FRACTION OF THE WATER THAT GOES DOWN TO RECHARGE THE AQUIFER.

>> THE WATER THAT GOES DOWN TO RECHARGE THE AQUIFER, HOW SAFE IS THAT WATER?

DOESN'T SOME OF IT ESCAPE AS WELL JUST BY WAY OF HOT TEMPERATURES AND PLANTS AND STUFF?

>> ON THE WAY DOWN, YES.

SO IMAGINE THIS SOAKING PROCESS.

WHEN THE WATER -- WHEN IT RAINS IT INFILTRATES AND GOES DOWN, AND YOU NO, ON THE WAY DOWN, THERE ARE FORCES THAT ARE SUCKING THE WATER UP.

THERE ARE PLANTS AND THE DEMAND OF ATMOSPHERE, SO THE WATER IN PART GOES BACK UP AND IN PART GOES DOWN, RIGHT?

THE ONE THAT GOES DOWN IS THE ONE THAT EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO BECOME THE GROUNDWATER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO LAND MANAGEMENT, PRACTICES, PROJECTS, STRATEGY, THESE SORTS OF THINGS, WHAT ARE YOU FINDING?

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PROTECT WATER AND GET IT INTO THESE UNDERGROUND BASINS.

>> WE HAVE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT STRATEGY WILL GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES, STORM WATER IN URBAN AREAS WE CAN CAPTURE THE STORM WATER MORE EFFICIENTLY AND SEND IT TO AREAS WHERE IT CAN MORE EFFICIENTLY SOAK INTO THE GROUND UNDER GEOLOGICAL CONDITION THAT IS HELP THAT.

OR WE CAN PRESERVE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THE RECHARGE IS MORE EFFICIENT.

THESE ARE THE RIM, THE HIGH ELEVATION AREAS, WE DON'T WANT TO MESS ENOUGH THIS AREA AND WE WANT TO KEEP THIS HIGH EFFICIENCY AND RECHARGE IN THESE AREAS.

>> AND SOME AREAS ARE, AS YOU MENTIONED, MORE A MANIABLE TO RECHARGE.

ARE THESE ROCKY AREAS, SANDY, WHAT?

>> IT'S HIGH ELEVATION, IT'S A MATTER OF CLIMATE.

MEANING THAT THE HIGHER YOU GO IN ELEVATION YOU HAVE MORE SNOW, SO THERE IS MORE TIME FOR THE WATER TO INFILTRATE DOWN AND LESS OF A DEMAND FROM THE ATMOSPHERE BECAUSE TEMPERATURE IS LOWER IN GENERAL.

BETTER CONDITIONS TO -- FOR THE WATER TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO BETTER MANAGE SNOWPACK?

>> AND SNOWMELT?

>> THERE ARE HE HAVES IN TERMS OF FOREST.

PEOPLE MIGHT THINK WE ARE PROMOTING CUT IS FOREST, WE ARE NOT YOU ABOUT THERE IS A CONTROLLED WAY OF DO THAT AND THERE ARE WAYS OF REDUCING THE REQUEST OF WATER FROM THE PLANNED AND TAME.

BIT ARE WAY FOR INFILL STATION.

>> WHAT ABOUT FLOOD ROLE.

YOU DON'T WANT HOMES DESTROYED AND THESE THINGS.

IS THERE A WAY TO REDETECTIVE OR DO SOMETHING TO GET THAT WATER SAFER?

>> CALIFORNIA IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT FLOOD MANAGED AQUIFER RECHARGE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE YET.

THE LEGAL -- NOT LEGAL.

CIVIL ENGINEER, WE DON'T HAVE HERE THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO DO EXACTLY THAT.

BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN URBAN AREAS THE RUN OFF THAT RECOLLECT FROM STORM WATER CAN BE USED.

THIS IS STILL FLOODING, RIGHT?

SO THAT CAN BE USED FOR RECHARGE.

>> IS IT BEING USED ARE WE DOING ENOUGH?

>> WE ARE -- WE DID A STUDY WITHIN THE PROJECT, WHERE A COLLEAGUE OF MINE ESTIMATED, ESTIMATED 98,000-ACRE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY CLERKING IN PHOENIX FROM STORM WATER.

>> THAT'S NOT BAD.

>> NOT AT BAD AT ALL.

I DID MORE OR LESS THE DEMAND OF 750,000 PEOPLE.

A YEAR, EVERY YEAR.

>> WOW, THAT'S NOT BAD AT ALL.

>> THIS IS WATER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING DOWN AND THEN AS YOU SAID BEFORE, IT SHOULD MAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE ARE FORCE THAT IS COMPETE TO AVOID THAT, BUT PART OF IT WILL GO.

>> THE IDEA OF SAVING THIS WATER AND CLEGG THIS IS WATER, RECOLLECT THE WATER TO GET IT UNDERGROUND AND STORED IT.

ARE YOU UPSETTING THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS?

ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT ATTA LITTLE BIT?

THERE IS ALWAYS WATER OVER THE STREAM AND WATERBED AND OVER THAT PARTICULAR LAND.

WHAT YOU ABOUT ANOTHER STUFF?

>> YOU ARE RIGHT IN A SENSE.

EVERY TIME WE MODIFY NATURE WE ARE ALWAYS CREATING CHANGES.

EVEN A RESERVOIR, IT'S A BIG CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF IF YOU BUILD A WALL AND YOU KEEP THE WATER THERE, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY DOWNSTREAM WE ARE AFFECTING ALL OF THE ECOSYSTEMS.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIND RELATIVELY SMALL INTERVENTIONS IN THE PROJECT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER MORE DID HE AD STUDIES TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION BETTER.

YOU ARE FULLY RIGHT EVERYTHING HAS AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

GUISEPPE MASCARO AGAIN, ASU UTAHER INSTITUTE AND GOBLE FUTURE LAB I WILL NOT.

>> AUTEUR.

>> I LOVE IT.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

♪♪♪ ♪ ♪♪♪ ♪ ♪♪♪ ♪ >> WE CONTINUE OUR LOOK AT ISSUES IMPORTANT TO OLDER VOTERS IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION, WITH A FOCUS TONIGHT ON HEALTHCARE AND MEDICARE CONCERNS.

WE'VE INVITED VARIOUS VOTERS TO JOIN US TO DISCUSS WHY AND HOW THESE ISSUES MATTER TO ARIZONANS.

OUR PANEL TONIGHT, ATTORNEY LARRY ALDRICH, WHO SERVED AS CEO OF UNIVERSITY PHYSICIANS HEALTH CARE, THE CLINICAL ARM OF THE U OF A COLLEGE OF MEDICINE.

WE ALSO WELCOME KEVIN LAKE, A SELF-EMPLOYED BUSINESS OWNER, AND KIM OWENS, A FORMER REGISTERED NURSE.

PANEL GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

KIM, STARTING WITH YOU.

HEALTHCARE IS CONSISTENTLY RANKED AMONG THE TOP ISSUES FOR VOTERS.

I AM ASSUMING IT'S AT OR NEAR THE TOP FOR YOU.

HOW IMPORTANT?

>> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

, TED.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I SEE AS A VOTER IS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DELIVERY OF HEALTHCARE AND THE PRACTICE OF COST REIMBURSEMENT.

TOO OFFENSE WE CON FLIGHT HEALTH INSURANCE WITH LEG CARE OF.

>> YES.

>> WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE NOW REMOVED THE PATIENT FIRST AND TALKING ABOUT PROFITS OR COST.

AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT EFFECTIVE HEALTHCARE AND LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST.

AND WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.

>> INTERESTING.

LARRY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

>> I THINK THE COMMENTS ARE SPOT ON.

WHAT WE HAVE NOT DONE IS PAYING OUR PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS AND PEDIATRICIANS ENOUGH MONEY FOR THEM TO HELP QUARTERBACK HEALTH OF THEIR PATIENTS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT AND HAVE LESS SPECIALTY CARE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK, KEVIN.

>> AS A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU CAN'T BIG ANY OF IT OUT.

IT'S SO CONFUSING WITH BILLS COMING IN.

YOU HAVE TO SIT AND PLAN EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR SHOULDER FIXED OR TAKE AN AMBULANCE RIDE.

YOU TRY TO TAKE UBER INSTEAD OF TAKING AN AMBULANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BALANCE HOW MUCH THAT BILL IS GOING TO BE WHEN IT COMES TO YOU.

>> SO A CANDIDATE COMES TO YOU AND, SAYS, I CAN SIMPLIFY THIS.

I CAN MAKE AN ACTUAL, B, C.AND DO THESE THANKS THAT MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR YOU?

>> THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, YES.

>> WHAT ABOUT YOU, KIM?

>> I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM SAY WE ARE GETTING THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT AND LET THE MARKET TAKE CONTROL.

>> YOU WOULD RATHER SEE MORE A MARKET-BASED SYSTEM.

>> I WOULD.

>> LARRY IF I AM A CANDIDATE AND SAY KNOCK IT OFF MAKE IT PURELILY MARKET BASED SYSTEM DOES THAT RING A BELL FOR YOU?

>> I LOVE THE MARKET BUT WE LOOK AT MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IT WAS A GREAT PLAN TO SHIP THE BUSINESS AND PATIENTS INTO THE MARCH A. PROGRAMS ARE COSTING IT IS 1022% MORE THAN OLD MEDICARE THE SO THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT BUT NEITHER CAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR UNITED STATES.

>> DID IT MAKE SENSE NOW.

>> IT'S HEALTHCARE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED.

IT'S NOT A SOMETHING THAT WE WANT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE PRIVATE SYSTEM, FOR-PROFIT SYSTEM HASN'T WORKED IN MY LIFE.

60 YEARS, 65 YEARS OF MOVE LIFE IT DOESN'T WORK.

>> ARE YOU HEARING CANDIDATES, STICKING WITH YOU, KEVIN, ARE YOU HEARING CANDIDATES ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND IF SO, ARE THEY ADDRESSING THEM TO YOUR SATISFACTION?

>> I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE.

THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT IS JUST LIKE SWALLOWING IT UP.

THIS SEASON ARE OF VOTING I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING.

>> IT'S LOST IN THE ROAR.

>> LOST IN THE ROAR.

>> ARE YOU HEARING ENOUGH ENOUGH?

>> NO.

>> YOU LIKING WHAT YOU HEAR?

>> NO.

>> MAYBE I AM NOT HEARING THE RIGHT THINGS.

HE'S RIGHT ABOUT MEDICARE ADVANTAGE.

TOO MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU HEAR THE WORD ADVANTAGE, AND YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO GIVE ME MORE.

AND SOMETIMES IT GIVES YOU LESS.

AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.

BUT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF HOSPITALS, PARTICULARLY IN RURAL ARIZONAS LIKE ARIZONA, ARE OPERATING ON LESS THAN 1% MARGIN.

THAT MEANS THE DELIVER OF HEALTHCARE IS AT RISK FOR HUGE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

AND SO MUCH OF THAT GOES BACK TO REGULATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN DRG CAME IN.

BUT THAT'S DIAGNOSIS RELATED GUIDELINES I WOULD SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF MY SHIFT I WAS ADDISON MID STRAIGHTER, MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER THE DOCTOR WROTE ON THE CHART WE CAN GET PAID FOR IT.

>> YEAH, THAT -- WE ARE HEARING RED TAPE AND REGULATIONS.

>> THAT'S IT.

WHEN YOU GET THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED YOU GET TOO MUCH OF THAT.

>> OKAY.

AND THAT'S -- AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT FROM A CANDIDATE.

ARE YOU HEARING WHAT UP TO HEAR FROM CANDIDATES?

OR ARE THEY JUST -- IS IT SUCH A COMPLICATED THING THAT THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO BOTHER?

>> ITS AMAZINGLY COMPLICATED BUT IT IS A HUGE PART OF OUR ECONOMY MICHIGAN HUGE PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT SPEND, DRIVES ME CRAZY, DEAD ARE WHEN POLITICIANS SAY WILL NOT TOUCH YOUR MEDICARE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW SUPREME JULYS ARE RUNNING THROUGH THE OTHER PARTS OF MEDICARE, WE ARE STARTING TO PAY FOR THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO PLAY A LOT MORE.

SO WE HAVE TO SOLVE IT AND WE HAVE TO INVOLVE IT PRETTY SOON.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF YOU.

IF YOU AGREE WITH THE CANDIDATE ON HEALTHCARE.

BUT YOU DISAGREE ON A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF IS THAT ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU STREET THAT CANDIDATE?

>> IT'S NOT FOR ME.

>> WHAT DID YOU, KIM SOME.

>> NOT ENOUGH FOR ME.

>> NOT ENOUGH.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS IN MY LIFE THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

>> YEAH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, KEVIN, ARE A BUSINESS OWNER YOU GOT FACE ALL OF THIS PAPERWORK, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT'S -- I DON'T THINK HEALTHCARE RIGHT NOW IS AS IMPORTANT AS OTHER ISSUES RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS A LOT MORE THINGS THAT ARE OVER OVERWHELMING HEALTHCARE FRANKLY AS A BUSINESS OWNER I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED IN MY LIFE.

AT LEAST.

>> NOT TO YOUR SATISFACTION.

>> I DON'T THINK -- YEAH, NOT TO MY SATISFACTION I GUESS.

>> I IN A A KLAY ON NEIGH, WILL MEDICARE BEING AROUND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

I DON'T THINK SO.

>> KIM.

>> IT WILL.

>> LARRY?

>> YES, IT WILL BE.

>> VERY GOOD.

GOOD CONVERSATION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE, APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANKS FOR COMING ON.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I AM TED SIMONS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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